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Evilsod · Dec 27, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Avatar of Melandru leads to some massive Wearying Strike spammage (none-elite spammable Eviscerate ftw?). Plus the nice anti-blind effect.
Avatar of Grenth is just nasty if you bring along 2 spammable attack skills and Wild Blow.
Avatar of Lyssa + IAS + Twin Moon Sweep + Emerites Sweep = lots of damage. +44 damage on every attack vs spamming PvE enemies wins battles quickly.
Avatar of Dwayna... i haven't used. Might be more useful in the Realm of Torment when your constantly hexed with anti-melee, snares and degen.
Avatar of Balthazaar, more certain for holy damage than Heart of Holy Flame for the Desolation undead mobs. Good armour too.

They all have there uses... but i'd say Dwayna is probably my least favourite.

Shuuda · Dec 27, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Oh yes, the healing you get with Dwayna is useless, I mean, Dwayna + Victorious sweap gives you +100 HP and will remove a hex, pretty good news for the parties monk, and melee often get hexed alot in PvE, like SS or empathy etc.

Skuld · Dec 27, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Not saying its useless, saying it isn't great for an elite and you can have better options such as; Victorious Sweep, Melandru and Mystic Regeneration for instance.

ensoriki · Dec 28, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Bcos melandru's deep wound/anti blind and grenth's rending are more useful than bonus damage.

*stares blankly*
*zones back in*
Wha-wha.....you crazy??
if you love enchantment rending so much you could just be a sin

Arkantos · Dec 28, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

*stares blankly*
*zones back in*
Wha-wha.....you crazy??
if you love enchantment rending so much you could just be a sin

...I hope your not serious.

Venus was her name · Dec 29, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Each and every god form has fantastic potential within certain setups. generally speaking i rate them as follows.

PvP

Grenth (very popular by nature)
Melrandu (immunity to conditions very very popular)
Lyssa (excellent potential but i havnt seen it being used...YET)
Dwayna (nice vs hex heavy teams which tbh are rare)
Balthsazar (armour + is pointless with the excellent enchants you have)

PvE

Melrandu (immunity to conditions very very popular)
Dwayna (health gain per hit)
Lyssa (very useful +10 energy)
Grenth (personally by fav in pve + pvp but thats just me)
Balthsazar (almost useless with the excellent enchants dervish have, only ever consider using for running which is a warrior or rangers job)

As you can see i'm not a fan of balthsazar

Solus_the_Deadly · Dec 30, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

I happen to like Balthazar alot, espically in Pve compared to Melandru due too only 15e cost. But i just i'll start using Lyssa because I'm fighting alot of Margonites in the campaign.

I still think rending sweep + hex > Grenth Form

Melandru's Form just has so many strong points though, espically in Pvp. First i think its great to be able to run through fire straight to the backlines of the enemy and cause easy deep wounds Via Wearing strike and a pretty good self heals.

O yeh thx all for posting, made me think alot.

Shuuda · Dec 30, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

With all the A/Ws around in PvP, Melandru is rather valueable, now if we could make a Dervish healer using that avatar, I'd have backup from someone I could rely on, rather than them overrated monks.

Str0b0 · Dec 31, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Solus_the_Deadly

Yes I justed wanted to know what people think is the Most useful and useless Dervish God Form.

For me i'd say Avatar of Melandru because of complete immunity to conditions, useful for so many situtions.

Useless? I'd have to say Grenth form due to the fact rending sweep + hex can remove alot more enchantments than a grenth form ever could.

Post if like you just PLEASE don't flame and spam..

Melandru is good but you aren't immune to conditions. The duration of the conditions is simply set to 0. This can be incredibly bad in some circumstances and a fragility mesmer will anihilate a Melandru using dervish if they are in a situation where conditions are coming in quick. Personally I'm digging Dwayna. With the right earth prayers skills and a spammable attack skill you can heal faster than anyone can damage you. Grenth is pretty useless to me since I'm PvE only but Lyssa takes the cake for most useless avatar.

Silk Weaver · Dec 31, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Lyssa... uh, the most damage evar?

ensoriki · Dec 31, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Lyssa spikes like you wouldnt believe it

Try seeing 108-160 pop up twice due to twin moon sweep
and then it happen another 2 times due to aoe of scythe, then add in chilling victory.....Thats huge spikes, you must be nuts if you think lyssas the most useless and the fact +10 energy is enough for arcane conundrum, ^.^

Coloneh · Dec 31, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

well, they are all horribly overrated and almost useless as elites. The only one i would ever think to use is dawanya, on a 16-mysticism/prot-enchantment dervish.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jan 01, 2007, 04:46 AM // 04:46

ok coloneh, you don't like the forms, we get it, and you are the one that probably gets destroyed by a Grenth avatar in PvP, and screams "ZOMG GRENTH NUBZORS!" The forms are one of the most powerful elites that the Dervish has, especially when you put them into a build that they have some sort of synergy with.

Shuuda · Jan 01, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

^heh heh Agreed.
^^^Also agreed, but a lot of people overlook the +energy you get from Lyssa, which as I've seen is rather useful, even if your not spiking.

fallot · Jan 01, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Most useful: Grenth
Least useful: Tie between Lyssa and Dwayna, but only because Grenth and Melandru are so good.

pedrostrik · Jan 01, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

people dervishes without avata forms are nearlyu uselless. even the god mode shadow form combo (no output dmg), and each god form have its own strenghts.

i love melandrus, even its the expensive one but it's the far away better one, in atack and defense, use holy veil, reversal of fortune (ie with 15 myst its free), and armour of santicty combo, and you are really the best tank around.
thus i made a build to play with my heros, usually i need only to cap meloni's avatar of melandru , i use as my elite:vow of silence, well you know the meaning....you are unstopable

D/Me
vow of silence (E)
arcane mimicry
armour of santicty
veil of thorns
mystic regen
heart of fury
wearying strike
mystic sweep

mysticism 11+3+1
earth prayers 9+1
scythe mastery 11+3

all radiant max armour
2 superior runes (myst and scy mastery)
a max scythe with +15 dmg^50, vampiric, and 20% enchant

you can change one of the enchants for one speed boost

i try some bosses and i kick then badly, even the element bosses fly down easily.. keep vow of silence as last enchantment always

Skuld · Jan 01, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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For 20 seconds, Arcane Mimicry becomes the non-Form Elite skill from target other ally.

Uhm, yah.

(extra letters)

NinjaKai · Jan 01, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by pedrostrik

Post

It would be great were it actually true. Either you've never used this build before or you have never used a Dervish before.

@fallot: Don't agree with the Lyssa part. Use D/Me with Arcane Conundrum + Lyssa on a spellcaster and you have a pretty easy kill.

knives · Jan 02, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Use D/Me with Arcane Conundrum + Lyssa on a spellcaster and you have a pretty easy kill.

Wouldn't [skill]Frustration[/skill] be much better than [skill]Arcane Conundrum[/skill] ? It has a shorter recharge time, shorter cast time, longer duration, and does just about the same thing.

NinjaKai · Jan 02, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by knives

Wouldn't [skill]Frustration[/skill] be much better than [skill]Arcane Conundrum[/skill] ? It has a shorter recharge time, shorter cast time, longer duration, and does just about the same thing.

Avatar of Lyssa doesn't interrupt it only damages foes activating skills. So you won't get the extra damage from frustration. And Dervish have no attacks that interrupt.